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[سعید ال]

you mean because of poverty our society has become immortal in many ways???but also i see people who are well-off but the immorality problem is still with them.

as you see in the society both rich and poor people are kind of immoral in many ways...there are a few people who consider morality and think about its

consequences...i would be happy to know your point of view about the society

 

[signup1389]

OK, OK ... You're right. Again please look closer, I said "a" reason of
Ofcourse the problem is bigger than what I mentioned.
?!Am I supposed to mention all of them in one post
I still insist on my words that the biggest problem in our country is poverty because The poor are in majority in Iran
The problem with the rich is being irreligion and worldly-minded.They don't believe in other world nor God.They even worship satan
In the end, the vital question is why or how this happened to us or who made this situation
My first answer hands down is satan
Now it's your turn​

 

[سعید ال]

yeah...i agree that the poverty is the main problem...but we have more important issue named:culture....

as an example a few months ago when i saw in japan earthquake how well people treated in their life after that terrible disaster i got that

even poverty and sorrows of dead people didnt make them savages...i really felt sorry for our country in that time

you know,they defined life for me...that even in catastrophic situations we have to be patient and pray to god

 

[signup1389]

That's amazing. How can you say Iranian people are lowbrow ?!!! We have one of the oldest cultures in the world. That's what we are always proud of. We don't have less catastrophies in Iran. Iranian people don't just help their compatriots but help other people from all over the world. I can name Cyclone Catarina in USA, earthquake in Haiti and famine in Somali
We don't forget that not long ago in bazar of Tehran there were deals guaranteed only by a hair of mustache
There are so many wrong ideas in Japanese culture that I can't imagine them as a standard for us
We don't forget howmuch dictator they are and what they did with chinese people. We don't forget why they are an old country. We don't forget group suicides there. Can't you see savage and silly ideas in their marshal art movies. Our past isn't comparable to theirs
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What I mean is that morality in Iran is lower than before but still higher than other countries.Let's stop praising other countries for what they don't deserve and stick to our country
Other reason I can name is cultural invasion
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[سعید ال]

i say why have we become like this?? what you're talking about???you are right about the past...but i'm right about present

you mean living in Iran with these life conditions about everything that you mentioned above is better than living in Japan....you are kidding

our old culture has become a legend for us and its almost impossible to see iran like kourosh kabir's ages...im talking about now...

for example we were proud of our football team in the past...but who is the best in asia now?...we have to see that what we have got in present

not just to be proud of our past and give up the present and future


why do we have so many rapes in iran???why do we have so disobeying???why cant we enjoy other's accomplishments??why cant we organize long term programs in our country and so many other whys that i dont see in japan or other countries like it??please look at the present and get off hair of mustache...and you said that our past is not comparable to theirs...i definitely agree with you...but remember that also their present is not comparable to ours

 

[signup1389]

?!!!What are you talking about
We're talking about morality and you say "football team", "life conditions", " long term programs"
Please look at line 2 and 3 in my previous post, it's not about past
I have to revise myself, in the case of morality we're not comparable to Japan not only in the past but right now
You totally amazed me again. You just exagerate the situation. You yourself are comparing Iranian people to their past unsuspectedly, for example about rapes in Iran .Do you have any statistics? You just compare it to our past however maybe you're wrong even in this comparison.Please don't tell me rape rate in Iran is higher than other countries because that's unbelievable
You just hit around the bush. Let's get back to our topic. Did you forget it? We wanted to talk about reasons of current situation in Iran and how many reasons you have named. We both agree in a raise in immorality in Iran. I have named poverty,being irreligion and worldy-minded,Satan and Satanism and cultural invasion
I don't have any clue how to continue this discussion​

 

[سعید ال]

im talking about what we were discussing about...if you see the previous posts you will see that we are stiil talking about one of reasons of immorality...

i mean culture....it's not separated from morality...it is its subset....i dont know how you separated culture from morality...they are jointed

im totally amazed that how you know them irrelevant to each other


and for the reasons that you mentioned above about(football team,long term programs,etc...)i just gave you examples to understand you that their living culture(not historical culture)at this time is far away higher than living culture in iran

lets change the subject buddy ...it seems we have different ideas about culture

 

[signup1389]

No,don't change the subject. We're almost doing well. We're not about to solve anything, we wanna try to communicate our ideas in english. We can talk more if there were a disagreement. Don't think that I'm happy in this situation. I agree almost all of your sayings. I just emphasize focusing on current subject
Now I wanna talk about culture
I believe that culture is not something that you gain it or change it in one night. Culture is like a living creature that the more older it is, the more harder is to change it. Our culture is one of the oldest in the world and that's our power. Don't get this as an unimportant feature. It's not good to be very effected and change with little winds
It's been long years that our enamies were trying to effect on our culture. It has taken them lots of energy and money and it seems that they have gained some success. We weren't bad people and weren't born bad. This situation is not a cause but a caused
Don't be so pessemistic about our nature
Together we stand, devided we fall​

 

[سعید ال]

in fact we're talking about one of morality's subset not just culture


i know what you're saying...but that's not all enemies fault that our culture has become like this...they offer and the acceptance is on our own

and sometimes there are no enemies my mate...they always try and strive to get their country better in everything and one of them that is also very important

is culture...but what about us???we just failed in developing this matter,because we failed in keeping our culture quality like past...

now who is the winner from your point of view???its obvious...we can not just be happy about our past...because life is

the present...what's gone is gone

 

[signup1389]

They are definitely winners and we're losers. This case is really complicated. I can approach this from two aspects
?first: what are they doing
?second : what are we doing
first.They have lots of experience in exploitation of Third World. They know complicated tactics and are updating them in new situations. It's an undeniable fact that they've got a big part of their power and fortune from their colonies. They know how to make you ignorantly want what they want
second. We are doing nothig in this one way war. In last two centureis Iran was in its most embarrassing period of its history. Our kings and goverments were really weak in this period and our enemies didn't have hard job to do. I think this war is a little too hard for populace and goverment is in charge of this war. Not only they did nothig against these attacks but they helped our enemies by their weak performance
We should wake up soon otherwise we will become their colony once again
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I'll talk about our people later​

 

[سعید ال]

somehow you're right

but when i see some countries like EU or some countries in Europe minding their business and have got nothing to do with us like take advantages of colonies.

for example EU government really has been developing its country without abusing others as u mentioned before...and also those that are abusing,they havent

been like this from the day one...they studied they tried and they fought and now they are the king,like we were but not anymore

 

[signup1389]

Majority of Iranian people are good and educated but I think they're illiterate in politics. People of a country always have right to choose their destiny, Not only stage a revolution and let their polititions and leaders and parliament to do whatever they want. At the moment we have so-called republic in Iran but how we can call it so when you can't criticize a bit the current situation
The most significant difference between our people and theirs is that They care about what is going on their country and lead strikes at crucial moments
We must beleive that no one except ourselves can help us
This list is to be continued​

 

[سعید ال]

yep that's it...now lets turn into another subject...and its your turn to come up with a good one dude

you know it would be good if it is something totally different of our previous subject...i say it so we can have variety subjects and discussions

 

[signup1389]

At first I hope you're not tired of my weird ideas and thanks for your attention
I prefer not to choose topic because I think I'm all thumbs in this case
If you don't mind we can talk about the most necessary needs of human kind to live a good life. What kind of life satisfies you? What is the best life style for human
I'm not fussy about this topic, if you have better suggestion we can discuss about it​

 

[سعید ال]

recently i've found out that life is somehow really complicated in many ways...but i always try to enjoy the good ones and see the full half of the glass

sometimes life traps you in the middle of disasters...in that times i just ask God why does something like that happen to me???and after that i see

that maybe a small decision in the past even related to 1 or 2 years ago caused that disaster to me...and because of that these months i really care

about details in my life about everything because every single decision makes my future...thats life not anything more...its you

that make it seems like a gift or like a catastrophe

 

[signup1389]

"Life is complicated these days",you said,"It's you that make it seems like a gift or like catastrophe
I agree and what is eating me is that we made it like a catastrophe
When I look at human life style nowadays, I see there are so many unwritten rules and necessities that are really useless. They just make our life harder and more complicated
Currently a typical life style is to go school at least about 12 years and experiance a hard time for taking enterance exam. After your acceptance you should spend at least 4 years of your best period of your life in university until you get your degree. After two years of military service you just find out that you ruined your childhood , your adolescence and your youth for taking a paper called degree that is totaly useless
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Even if you can get a job and get married your headache will be continued til your death. You can never take a deep breath since you're struggling to supply life needs all the time​

 

[سعید ال]

your speech is right in that case that the person doesnt have a specific goal in their life and just passes the routine things like others...

but if you study hard or keep doing what you like either in school,university or in life you will be satisfied with your life

stuff...you know we have so many educational problems in our country

and a child when gets to the age 7 needs to be guided...because he or she can not

even think about his or her goal in the future...

let alone to decide about it...somethings are out of control and we just should try to make them better

because make them best sometimes is not feasible

 

[signup1389]

Let me congratulate you on your first thousand posts in PT. Continue the good job. GOOD LUCK
You've got a point there but I think our problem is bigger than our education system. How we can guide our children since we ruined our lives. I think we are victims of a big conspiracy. We must work more and more to buy what they show is vital for living however they are useless.
They deceive us that living without them is impossible. We must buy wastes to make them rich. It seems that we never content with what we got. We must always get better ones otherwise we're unfortunate
These hallucinations have made life an inferno for us​

 

[سعید ال]

thanks buddy...sure i'll do that...so you help me out in it and company with me

yeah...as long as our fathers and mothers live a wrong method of life and just accept their ways of living and can't

accept that other ways that we as their children may choose for our living could be suitable,this useless and harmful cycle goes on...

but somewhere it has to be cut just by us...because if we dont cut this way we would spontaneously execute that on our children

maybe for making this cycle entirely true we should devote and dedicate one or two generations

 

[signup1389]

I think we need to have some organizations such as unions or NGOs to plan new life standards
I don't beleive in dedication because we are victims anyway, we want to make this world a better place to live for ourselves
We need to revitalize living like humans in a way that peolpe be evaluated for sake of humanity not for sake of their belongings
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One of the biggest priorities of human to other creatures is its power to learn. What are we learning these days? kill or die, betray or be deceived , never its enough to buy , learn to make money or make love
My soul is tired of this type of mechanical living. I'm not a robot​